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need your opinion/suggestion lang po regarding sa pag wax, seal and everything about protecting the paintwork from the harsh sunlight.
i'm a bit confused din, since i read somewhere that waxing should be done quarterly- while when i talked to the local detailing shop, waxing should be done at least once a month. alin kaya ang mainam na sundin? i'm planning kasi to have the it (paintwork) sealed first, then waxed.
another question is, will a paint sealant would provide a protection for the paint work that was exposed in a harsh sunlight? the car was exposed in the open parking under a scorching sunlight almost everyday. i want something that could protect the paint.
thanks in advance! 
Restoration bug bit me. I don't mind if I drive a stock 14 year old car, as long as it's shiny as new, it'll do.
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a paint sealant is more durable than wax. wax degrades more quickly when exposed to the elements.
a sealant like Klasse or Zaino will give you the paint protection and shine you need for 2-3 months. a carnauba-based wax will only be good for 2-4 weeks.
as far as protecting from the elements, the best care program involves polishing (replenishing the necessary oils/luster of the paint that may degrade due to weathering) and protecting (with a wax or sealant)
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i'm thinking of having a paint sealant din. kahit na nakakita na ako ng covered parking. parang gusto ko nga i-DIY eh. ang problema ko lang yung rotary buffer eh.
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ripple_effect wrote:i'm thinking of having a paint sealant din. kahit na nakakita na ako ng covered parking. parang gusto ko nga i-DIY eh. ang problema ko lang yung rotary buffer eh.
mahal kasi rotary polisher.
try orbital. for wax lang naman eh. alam ko mas mura mura yun. and it wont damage your paint din that much.
or try claying first before putting wax on your car. pwede yan DIY.
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yep. clay din. yung rotary buffer, may nakita ako na medyo mura. 2nd hand sya. Makita brand. i'm thinking of DIY the paint sealant.
karl, nag-a undercoat din ba kayo sa shop nyo? how much for the Honda Civic? gaano kadaming undercoat (tin can) ang mako-consume (kahit estimate lang)? saka gaano katagal ang gawaan?
may effect ba yan sa sound proofing ng kotse (undercoat)?
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sa rotary ayus yan. 2nd hand.. brand new kasi nasa 11k++ depende kung san mo bibilhin.
we go by the gallon for undercoating..
yes, nag uundercoat din po kami sa Caltex Tikay ( Tabang, Bulacan) inaayos na yung service bay sa Caltex Plaridel.
1 gallon - 2,200
2 gallons - 3,000++ ata i cant remember.
it will normally take halfday depende kung matuyo agad. pag maaraw mas mabilis naman matutuyo.
sa sound proofing? hmm may unting effect naman sir. pero not really as sound proofing unless deadening siguro.
sa civic 1gallon will do.
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oh. i see. sound deadening? parang sa 3M? so kung papa-undercoat muna ako then sound deadening, possible yun?
Caltex Tikay? malapit dun sa Tabang interchange? or dun sa may Tabang cloverleaf?
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ripple_effect wrote:oh. i see. sound deadening? parang sa 3M? so kung papa-undercoat muna ako then sound deadening, possible yun?
Caltex Tikay? malapit dun sa Tabang interchange? or dun sa may Tabang cloverleaf?
sound deadening is different ha.. yung tipong pang souond setup na yun bro. ahhaha
nilalagay yun or pour it over sa loob ng oto. 
yup caltex tikay is near tabang interchange. next to eurobake lang siya..
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empy wrote:a paint sealant is more durable than wax. wax degrades more quickly when exposed to the elements.
a sealant like Klasse or Zaino will give you the paint protection and shine you need for 2-3 months. a carnauba-based wax will only be good for 2-4 weeks.
as far as protecting from the elements, the best care program involves polishing (replenishing the necessary oils/luster of the paint that may degrade due to weathering) and protecting (with a wax or sealant)
how much does a sealant cost? frankly i never heard of a sealant until now..ha ha ha   does it need special procedures to apply? sorry for the very noob question..
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aNthraxx wrote:empy wrote:a paint sealant is more durable than wax. wax degrades more quickly when exposed to the elements.
a sealant like Klasse or Zaino will give you the paint protection and shine you need for 2-3 months. a carnauba-based wax will only be good for 2-4 weeks.
as far as protecting from the elements, the best care program involves polishing (replenishing the necessary oils/luster of the paint that may degrade due to weathering) and protecting (with a wax or sealant) how much does a sealant cost? frankly i never heard of a sealant until now..ha ha ha does it need special procedures to apply? sorry for the very noob question..
go to autopia.org.
I'm currently using OPTIMUM OPTI-SEAL on 2 of our dark coloured cars.
very very nice effect.
try researching for the differences of sealant based and wax based...you'll know the dynamics of each.
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GlennSter wrote:aNthraxx wrote:empy wrote:a paint sealant is more durable than wax. wax degrades more quickly when exposed to the elements.
a sealant like Klasse or Zaino will give you the paint protection and shine you need for 2-3 months. a carnauba-based wax will only be good for 2-4 weeks.
as far as protecting from the elements, the best care program involves polishing (replenishing the necessary oils/luster of the paint that may degrade due to weathering) and protecting (with a wax or sealant) how much does a sealant cost? frankly i never heard of a sealant until now..ha ha ha does it need special procedures to apply? sorry for the very noob question.. go to autopia.org. I'm currently using OPTIMUM OPTI-SEAL on 2 of our dark coloured cars. very very nice effect. try researching for the differences of sealant based and wax based...you'll know the dynamics of each.
papa glenn. uwian mo nga ako niyan nang masubukan dito. ty!
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karl wrote:GlennSter wrote:aNthraxx wrote:empy wrote:a paint sealant is more durable than wax. wax degrades more quickly when exposed to the elements.
a sealant like Klasse or Zaino will give you the paint protection and shine you need for 2-3 months. a carnauba-based wax will only be good for 2-4 weeks.
as far as protecting from the elements, the best care program involves polishing (replenishing the necessary oils/luster of the paint that may degrade due to weathering) and protecting (with a wax or sealant) how much does a sealant cost? frankly i never heard of a sealant until now..ha ha ha does it need special procedures to apply? sorry for the very noob question.. go to autopia.org. I'm currently using OPTIMUM OPTI-SEAL on 2 of our dark coloured cars. very very nice effect. try researching for the differences of sealant based and wax based...you'll know the dynamics of each. papa glenn. uwian mo nga ako niyan nang masubukan dito. ty!
karlbo...ill bring one for carloaddict lol and garrick...hingi ka nalang...sobrang konti lang ng kailangan mo for one car. as in 1-2 MIST pero panel lang ang kailangan mo. and it lasts for a couple of months on mine.
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cge cge.. Thanks bro..
I'll see you soon..
shet... bring back the old days...
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maganda nga yang Opti-seal. i'm trying to use up all my Klasse stuff so i can buy a bunch of that
one word of caution before using - it's a paint sealant ONLY. which means the paint has to be perfect - no weathering, no contamination, no scratches or swirls - before you put it on....or else you're just sealing a crappy finish.
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empy wrote:maganda nga yang Opti-seal. i'm trying to use up all my Klasse stuff so i can buy a bunch of that one word of caution before using - it's a paint sealant ONLY. which means the paint has to be perfect - no weathering, no contamination, no scratches or swirls - before you put it on....or else you're just sealing a crappy finish.
true.
it actually magnifies the scratches on our 2 dark bodies if i was so careless polishing the swirls out.
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I don't think I read the answer to Q1, so I'll ask it again, and add another one:
1. How often should you wax your car?
2. Is it true that you shouldn't have a foam wash when your car has been waxed? Say nagpa-wax ako ngayon. Two days later nadumihan yung kotse. I shouldn't have it foam washed or apply car shampoo when washing? How should it be washed then?
Thanks very much.
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GlennSter wrote:empy wrote:maganda nga yang Opti-seal. i'm trying to use up all my Klasse stuff so i can buy a bunch of that one word of caution before using - it's a paint sealant ONLY. which means the paint has to be perfect - no weathering, no contamination, no scratches or swirls - before you put it on....or else you're just sealing a crappy finish. true. it actually magnifies the scratches on our 2 dark bodies if i was so careless polishing the swirls out.
Yup, even Zaino magnifies imperfections as well.
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Magnum wrote:I don't think I read the answer to Q1, so I'll ask it again, and add another one: 1. How often should you wax your car? 2. Is it true that you shouldn't have a foam wash when your car has been waxed? Say nagpa-wax ako ngayon. Two days later nadumihan yung kotse. I shouldn't have it foam washed or apply car shampoo when washing? How should it be washed then? Thanks very much.
1. Wax as often as you want, you can wax it everyday.. Si dabid dati 3x a week nag wawax hehehehe just to test out different products, do comparos and other stuff.
2. Who told you that? Ofcourse you can wash your car after you wax it. Pag nadumihan, edi hugasan mo uli then wax if you want. Its a cycle.
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ILuvDetailing wrote:1. Wax as often as you want, you can wax it everyday.. Si dabid dati 3x a week nag wawax hehehehe just to test out different products, do comparos and other stuff. 2. Who told you that? Ofcourse you can wash your car after you wax it. Pag nadumihan, edi hugasan mo uli then wax if you want. Its a cycle.
Thanks for the reply. Some neighborhood car wash operator told me about avoiding another foam wash after waxing, which I found very odd. I ignored the advice and still had the car shampooed when it accumulated dirt. Just wanted to verify among real car freaks. 
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oh, avoid foam wash unless you want swirls  I'd still prefer the traditional bucket approach.
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Foam wash is not that all bad. Its good for pre-soaking the car before soaping with the traditional bucket method.
Kung pure foam wash lang, no way.
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in addition to the lack of lubrication, problem with shops using foam wash is that they use "pranela" and not the wash mitt that would be more advisable. Also, when you use a wash mitt, you will use a bucket so those two go hand in hand, because you'll have to soak a wash mitt into a car shampoo filled bucket to use it properly.
try to experiment, bring your dirty car into a car wash using foam wash, and look at your paint after they wash it, I guarantee you you'll see some swirls specially on darker colored cars.
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^Not only that ILD. Worse, they use dishwashing soap in their foam equipment. Hehe. You can never can tell 
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Used dishwashing liquid the last time I washed my car... ubos na pala yung car wash shampoo namin. 
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Most of today's waxes are clear coat safe; so waxing as often as you want won't harm the finish. On sealants, make sure you prep the car first via thorough cleaning (wash, claybar, minor scratch removal), polishing (step 2), and waxing (carnauba, etc.). I use Klasse Sealant & Glaze, bought it from an importer at around P1,100 per bottle.
Here's a sample of the shine of NXT 2.0 wax, and Klasse S&G (3 coatings over 3 weeks):
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^Ultraman welcome to BBC. Is that the effect of 3am detailing regimen? Lol
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ganda depth and shine ng Klasse Twins + Carnuba Wax, specially on darker colored cars.
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