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The Top Ten Cars of the 00's Options
niky
Posted: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:50:38 PM


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The 00's were a turbulent decade. Punctuated by natural disasters, wars and terrorist hysteria, they started with a 9-11 bang and ended with a whimper after the financial crash of 2008.

There's no denying, though, that they produced some pretty important cars. Here, in no particular order, are some of the best cars of the decade.


Ford Lynx RS



At the turn of the decade, Mazda was a car company known for making the Miata and a bunch of other vehicles. Said other vehicles were anonymously handsome, if a bit anonymous, and vaguely sporty, if a bit slow. Then Mazda got serious, releasing hits such as the Mazda6 and RX8.

Before the award-winning 626-derived Mazda6, there was the forgotten 626-derived Protege. A solid little car with great balance and a sporty feel. The special edition MP3 went one better with a tighter geared steering rack and suspension, better anti-roll bars and 10 more horsepower.

Rebadged as a Ford and equipped with a luxury package that included a moonroof, a body-kit and a CD-changer, it gave Pinoys an SiR/GTi alternative for the 21st Century.

With just 142 ponies, it was pathetic in a straight line. And the brakes wilted after just a few hard stops. Despite these shortcomings, the RS has been my benchmark for handling manners and steering feel since I got it. It’s only recently that I’ve driven mass-market econoboxes that can approach it in this regard. This was one of the best of the last of the hydraulic steering cars, and it’s been my daily driver for the past five years.

Yes, I'm only including it since I drive one, but as there are somewhat less than five hundred manual-transmission Lynx RS's in the entire world, here is a Philippine assembled sports compact that's more exclusive than most Ferraris. Take that, Enzo.

More seriously, the Lynx/Protege represents the tipping point from when Mazda went from niche to mainstream respectability, globally, and it also represents the tipping point at which Ford was finally taken seriously in the local market.




Ford Focus Mark 2 and 2.5



I’ve looked hard and long into my heart to see whether I could put the Mazda3 here. But I can’t. That’s because the Mazda3’s steering isn’t as good as the Lynx’s. And the suspension, so supple at low speeds, goes all to pieces at high speeds over bad roads.

But the Focus... never have two such similar products been so different.

The Focus’s steering is as feelsome as all get out. The suspension manages to be supple yet controlled at speed. And the balance is wonderful. It’s hard to believe that you could basically swap suspensions between the Focus and Mazda3 with little difficulty (shave a bolt here, a bolt there), yet the Focus feels so much better. Despite the compact rear suspension, excellent damping, camber control and passive rear steer make the Focus as easy as a go-kart to balance on the cusp of oversteer. Not that you could get much on the stock rubber, but it’s there.

The 2.5 facelift made it even better. Tweaks in the suspension fix the handling balance for the heavier 2.0 models and the Focus RS “revo-knuckle” blurs the final line between McPherson and double-wishbone suspensions. The Focus RS, in fact, finally makes 300 hp work in a front-wheel drive vehicle.

Who needs AWD?





Honda Jazz (1st generation)



Okay, so the 2nd generation car is twice as clever and twice as good, but the 1st generation Honda Jazz is to the 00s what the Civic was to the 90’s. Sure, it’s got McPhersons and a rear cart axle instead of the double-wishbones and multi-link suspension of the older car, but clever suspension engineering and bushing deflection give it good handling. And the car’s stiff chassis and light weight make it a cracker to drive.

No, it’s not perfect. The ride is stiff-legged and the steering is complete shite, but the Honda Jazz isn’t just about driving hard. The Jazz’s real party piece is the Swiss Army Knife interior. Infinite seating and cargo configurations, and an interior big enough to swallow a whale (must.resist.using.the.word.Tardis.). Sure, some competitors, like the Suzuki Swift and Mazda2, may be more fun in some aspects, but no other small car comes quite so close to convincing you your full-sized motor is now obsolete.

And it gets 15 km/l at full blat. That’s as guilt-free as hoonery gets.





Mini (1st/2nd generation BMW Mini)



It’s retro that actually works. The Mini shows that you can sell economical cars to rich people, as long as they’ve got style. Never mind that there are premium compacts that are more practical (and actually have a rear seat), none of them have the panache of the Mini. And the Mini drives well, too. With a square wheelbase and a low center of gravity, it drives like a closed-roof go-kart. Hyperkinetic. The electric steering has gone all soft in the new generation, but even without resorting to “Sport” mode, it’s still tight and responsive. The engines feel bigger than they actually are, thanks to the (relative) light weight, and driving at the edge has never been so easy.

Okay... so maybe it’d be better if they ditched the runflats (our local dealership has, thankfully) and more space would be nice (without the ugly Clubman styling), but since when have premium cars been logical?





Nissan 350Z / Hyundai Genesis V6 Coupe



I’ve called the 350Z, at one time or another, a horseman of the apocalypse. When manufacturers start making stupidly powerful sports cars with affordable price tags, that means that the common man has reached a point where he has total contempt for the amount of petrol he consumes on his way to work, which means an oil crisis is inevitable. The 350Z heralded the return of the rear-wheel drive sports car for the masses, rendered extinct when the overweight, overpriced 300ZX twin-turbo finally died out during the last oil crisis. The 350Z returned to the 240Z ethos, small, simple car, zingy engine. Okay, maybe it is a porker compared to the original, but it’s as simple as a sportscar can be in this day and age without being a Miata. Pre-350Z, we had bumpkis (okay, we had the S2000, but that’s a dinosaur. A Velociraptor, yes, but still a dinosaur). Post-350Z, we got the new Mustang, the Camaro, the RX8... and now, the Genesis.



Still, the 350Z and the new 370Z are on the expensive side for Filipino buyers. The Genesis Coupe V6, however, takes power for the masses to a new level, giving people high performance and style for peanuts. (okay... just under 2 million pesos... but that's close enough) And it signals that, yes, Hyundai is now serious business. Here is a sportscar built from the ground up, with engines developed completely in-house, by a company whose previous sportscar was a front-wheel drive coupe with engines and bones rooted in stone-age Mitsubishis. Ironic, then, that Mitsubishi is now buying engines from them. He who laughs last...





BMW X5



It’s an SUV, strike one. It’s a stupidly expensive SUV, strike two. It’s a stupidly expensive SUV that can't even go off-road, strike three. And yet, the first time I encountered an X5 on a public road was at 3 in the morning, doing over 160 km/h uphill, with me giving chase. Each time we got to a tricksy corner, I’d pull up on him in perfect position to pass, as this two ton behemoth struggled against inertia and its own stupidly high center of gravity.

I never did complete that pass. Because he’d soon be past the apex of the corner and I’d be fighting the steering wheel and my own lack of mechanical grip. He had four-wheel drive, ultra-wide tires and a sophisticated computer system helping him out. All I had was ABS, a worn set of gums and a car that struggled to keep up on the straights. (yeah, old story, but so what)

So it’s a stupidly expensive car by a company that prides itself on making “The Ultimate Driving Machines” that corners almost as well as a warmed-over economy car and needs the computing power of NASA to do so. I was hooked. Instantly. The absurdity of it all only came more into focus when I finally got to drive one years later. It cornered well, felt light on its feet, and danced between turns like an oversized Miata. Delightful.

Sure, the Cayenne soon completely overshadowed the X5, with its better interiors, actual off-road capability and a nameplate worth its weight in gold. It was still the X5 that started the whole thing. It put the “Sport” back into Sport Utility Vehicles, leading to all manner of stupidly expensive, stupidly powerful, stupidly capable SUVs. As such, it’s probably as much a horseman of the carpocalypse as the 350Z, but at least it comes in diesel. And that diesel variant, surprisingly, is as much fun as it is economical.

Still stupidly expensive. But God do I want one.





Nissan GT-R



It was either this or the Veyron. But the Veyron has four engines welded together at the sump, four turbos, sixeen kajillion radiators, a gearbox that costs a small country and bespoke tires. Anything with that much hardware crammed into it is going to be epic, no matter how much it weighs. The Nissan, on the other hand, makes do with a bored-out V6, two measly turbos and a single radiator. It’s got sticky tires, but they’re off-the-shelf items. It doesn’t even make half as much power as the Veyron. But no other performance car has generated as much hype or controversy over the past few years as the GT-R.

The GT-R is proof positive that clever engineering trumps physics, every time. With a measly 485 bhp and a porky curb weight just a few Big Macs shy of the Veyron, it conquers many lighter (and often more powerful) sports cars with ease. But it wasn’t always an overachiever. The current GT-R’s abilities came about because Nissan threw a fit when their new supercar couldn’t break below 7:50 on the Nurburgring. They hired a small outfit called Lotus (of Isuzu Trooper fame) to redo the suspension.

That suspension tweaking, some better tires, a low-friction drivetrain, clever variable geometry turbos and more computers than ten X5s all conspired to make the GT-R faster than a Porsche 911 Turbo. And a Corvette Z06. And a few Ferraris, as well.

The GT-R serves as an online intelligence test. If you don’t understand why peak power numbers aren’t as important as average horsepower, and that traction is often more important than power on a slippery road, you’ll never understand the GT-R.

I’d still prefer a Porsche GT3, though.





Pagani Zonda




The Veyron may have stolen the limelight from the Zonda as the supercar of the decade, but the Zonda still stands as the perfect marriage of traditional supercar values and modern performance. It’s a work of art on wheels, and the fact that it’s ultra-lightweight, drives well, is actually reliable and has the most perfect carbon fiber weave ever laid by hand is merely icing on the cake. This is the true successor to the McLaren F1 (lightness uber alles) and sets a new benchmark for exotics.

Not much to say about this one. It simply speaks for itself. The Zonda is pure automotive car porn.





Toyota Prius



Fuel economy has been an issue ever since the first oil crisis in the 70's, and continues to be an issue today. While many people point to hydrogen, electricity or alternative fuels as the answer, one car has been serving as the poster-child for fuel-saving technology for over a decade... the Prius.

Yes, it's insanely expensive, considering it isn't anywhere near as big as a Camry. And it's about as exciting to drive as a golf cart. But the Prius makes hypermiling cool. It turns it into a video-game, and the eventual winner is your wallet.

It might not be the most practical purchase anyone will ever make, and Toyota reportedly loses money on every Prius they sell (only recently edging into profitability after selling over 1 million Prii over three generations), but you can't mention the words "green technology" without giving a nod to the Prius.

Oh, and it's a reasonably good commuter, too. Quiet, spacious, soft riding and smooth. Each one of those 1 million Prii on the road does more in terms of green-marketing for Toyota than any number of Chevrolet Volt press releases does for GM (when is it coming out, again?) Rolling on the floor laughing

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So, what are your top ten cars of the past decade?

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basti08
Posted: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:03:22 PM

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The Genesis, GTR and Prius posted are closer to the end of the decade than the start of it.

Locally, mine's are


Honda Civic SiR

I think this is the first and still is, the only 100hp per liter naturally aspirated engined car here in the Philippines. And an attainable one for less than 800K during its time.
With 4 wheel double wishbone suspension, slightly stiifened suspension set up than standard VTi and 4 wheel disc brakes, it can deliver a performance not suited for the faint-hearted.


Ford Lynx RS/Ghia

Both variants are value leader and are often underrated but drives great, offers a very good kit, levels of comfort and refinement. It (RS) almost augmented the boy racer theme of the early decade which was started by the Civic SiR, it was better speced than the SiR. Unlike the Honda, the RS comes with leather, sunroof, CD stereo and does come with safety features like dual airbags and abs. Resale are poor due to poor brand recognition, but that gives joy to secondhand hunters.


Ford Everest

Because of this, we now have the much vaunted Toyota Fortuner and Mitsubishi Montero Sport SUVs. The Everest pioneered the pick-up based SUV game back in the early decade. It was the time when the SUVs are a hype and so traditional SUVs like Pajero and Trooper costs about a fortune to acquire and every car maker are so into SUVs even AUVs like Adventure and Crosswind have top model speced to look like an SUV. The started the value packed SUV game with an intro price of less than 1M for 4x2 models and 1.2+M for 4x4 models. It also one ups the Pajero and Trooper in safety dept by having dual airbags and abs.


Ford Explorer Sport Trac

American flavor in a subtle manner. This is more practical than Chevy Silverado or even its F-series brother pick-up. It has 5 proper seats with enough room(instead of 2+2 seating). V6 instead of thirsty V8 and a 5 speed auto tranny. Interior can be hosed clean ala Xtrail plus lots of nifty stuffs like sunroof, power tailgate, extended cargo capacity all for a price just slightly higher than compact SUVs at its time.


Hyundai Starex

Revolutionized the van market here in RP. Brought refinement, comfort and high levels of kit that burried the once king, L300, in the cemetery. Turbocharged diesel sourced from Mitsubishi brought peace of mind to buyers as this was Hyundai's first efforts in building a better image that time. The Starex really catapulted to where Hyundai is right now.


Kia Picanto

This started the small car craze back in 2004. and with an introductory price of only 330K, this one's a steal. with peppy yet efficient efi engine and generally basic yet comfy interior. The Picanto sparked the charm for small cars. Hyundai Getz, Honda Jazz, Hyundai i10, Chevy Aveo and Toyota Yaris late in the decade joined the game with noticeably higher sticker prices. Even China, with eth QQ and Benni joined the super-mini segment. Unfornately, although mechanically unchanged since its intro the Picanto is now selling at almost double its introductory price.


Mazda 3 2.0/Ford Focus 2.0 Sport

This twins were euro inspired and is also sharing platform with more expensive Volvo S40.
This gives a euro tuned driving feel which is absorbent in bumps and generally substantial but still agile feeling. Contrary to japanese "light" and "nervy" feeling when cruising down the road.
Both the 3 and Focus offers high level of kit, comfort and performance in its 2.0L variants.


Nissan Xtrail

Very clever compact SUV, fenders made of plastic that you cannot dent, cooled drink holders, jersey fabric, interior that can be hose cleaned and Skyline based 4WD. The Xtrail also offers comfort and driving experience close to a compact sedan and fuel economy too. (2.0L AT)


Toyota Innova

AUV in MPV style. Very functional and clever interior. D4d engines are thrifty and powerful. Seating is spacious and comfortable for 7 or 8. This has proved to have almost everything to qualify as every man's perfect family car. Safety is also augmented by dual airbags in G variant and single airbag in lower models. Later G models now have abs. Refinement has left its rivals adventure and crosswind grasping for air. It truly is the benchmark now in AUV segment for 6 years running.


Toyota Vios

Fullu loaded, fuel efficient, fun and practical. This car offers a to b driving in modicum of style, function and practicality. Very easy to maintain too.



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niky
Posted: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:44:17 PM


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Interesting picks!

I didn't include the Honda Civic SiR in my list because it was a 1998 model that was phased out in 2001, which is when the 00 decade started.

The Starex, well, imports came in during the mid-90's, but it really was a decade-long phenomenon.

Good choices all. Wink

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Posted: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:52:15 PM


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Sentra Exalta? hmmmmm......

agree with the Lynx RS and Focus.

dont judge a car unless you have driven it!


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Posted: Saturday, January 23, 2010 2:46:01 PM

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The Sentra Exalta is my 11th pick... Smile



I just think the Lynx Ghia is better when it comes to handling. Besides, the better handling means safer in avoiding accidents....more driver control Wink not only is the Lynx better in handling but in safety too. It has dual airbags as standard... larger wheels and tires and the Lynx is less cheesy too (Except an Exalta with proper wheel and tire like pic above Hooray )

The Exalta only betters the Lynx in extra things like wood trim, auto climate, aircon filters, 10CD changer, folding sunshades, fancy gauges and cellphone holder.



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Posted: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:28:58 PM


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the cellphone holder! heheehehe.

the cefiro brougham looks great too.

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niky
Posted: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:11:07 AM


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The Exalta was deserving in some ways, in others... not.

It was a game changer in the amount of kit offered for the price... something that only the Lynx Ghia approached, amongst the competition. But the handling and performance was absolutely dreadful, especially compared to previous Sentras. Tons of body roll, extremely weak brakes, poor acceleration, the possibility of fishtailing under hard braking (happened to me). And the tatty Taiwanese plastic trim that fell off after a few years.

Besides, that was a creature of the 90's. 98-00 model.

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Posted: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:26:40 PM

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btw, is the leather on the Exalta original? I find that even 10 yr old Exalta's interior smells buttery leather. Almost reminiscent to scent of modern leather lined cars.

Btw, the Exalta really isnt much of a performer. A friend has one, and every time i drive it, the gearbox feels like its dragging the car, as the engine feels willing but is mated to a lazy gearbox. Fuel efficient though.. Brakes and ride is just acceptable. Soft springs made this possible but roll is bit too much nga. Steering is typical Nissan light. If this has a good tranny... it would be close to the new Vios (esp the new with EPS) in driving feel.

My Vios has same light steering, not so good handling, nice ride and good kit... it has better tranny though



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carlocaraddict wrote:
the cellphone holder! heheehehe.

the cefiro brougham looks great too.


hehe yes, the sort of push activated thingy like a small cupholder between the hazard lights and rear defogger button.



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Posted: Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:42:47 PM


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basti08 wrote:
btw, is the leather on the Exalta original? I find that even 10 yr old Exalta's interior smells buttery leather. Almost reminiscent to scent of modern leather lined cars.


The Exalta's leather is probably the best leather I've ever seen in a car that didn't cost a mint. Buttery soft, smells great, quite resistant to damage.

basti08 wrote:
Btw, the Exalta really isnt much of a performer. A friend has one, and every time i drive it, the gearbox feels like its dragging the car, as the engine feels willing but is mated to a lazy gearbox. Fuel efficient though.. Brakes and ride is just acceptable. Soft springs made this possible but roll is bit too much nga. Steering is typical Nissan light. If this has a good tranny... it would be close to the new Vios (esp the new with EPS) in driving feel.

My Vios has same light steering, not so good handling, nice ride and good kit... it has better tranny though


I'd say the Vios handling is actually better... but it's been a long time since I drove the Exalta.

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the Vios isnt confident inspiring in fast sweepers. the inside rear tires feels like floating. i dont know with the new City which aminado naman ako feels more substantial, it might be clinging the road better. at fast cornering in daanghari, i felt goosebumps in one turn where i did 110kph. parang hindi sya ganung ka stable. pero stock lang akin kasi talagang hindi naman pangarera. but handling limit isnt too high.



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i think this is a well-thought out list, niky. even if you did put your own car at the top of it Belat

i have a few comments -

first, thank you for not putting the Chrysler 300C on it

second, the Veyron needs to be part of this list - besides its performance/technical credentials, it has simply been the "God" car for this generation (i'd drop the Zonda - more marginal player)

third, i've seen the Ford Focus on a "10 Worst Cars of the Decade" list Rolling on the floor laughing go figure. i forgot the reviewer, i'll try to google it

fourth, i have no issue with Prius on the list because it made eco-awareness cool. but any average owner would have a lower cost of ownership with a Honda Fit

fifth, i wish there was room for the Hyundai Sta Fe on the list. speaking for myself, it was the car that finally made me take the Korean automaking industry seriously.

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i cant think of top tens, because its pretty much apples to oranges, and ideas keeps on popping in my mind.

so far i think this car started the "fat" car revolution, at least here in our country (and on a commoners pov)




around 2001 i think.
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basti08 wrote:
the Vios isnt confident inspiring in fast sweepers. the inside rear tires feels like floating. i dont know with the new City which aminado naman ako feels more substantial, it might be clinging the road better. at fast cornering in daanghari, i felt goosebumps in one turn where i did 110kph. parang hindi sya ganung ka stable. pero stock lang akin kasi talagang hindi naman pangarera. but handling limit isnt too high.


The first GD City had a tendency to have an unstable rear end. The GD facelift was better. The GE... don't know yet. The older Vios was somewhat stable. Understeery, but at least stable. The current Vios could use better suspension tuning... too much rear roll, not enough control over the rear axle.

empy wrote:
i think this is a well-thought out list, niky. even if you did put your own car at the top of it Belat


What? Where? Me? Biased? Belat belat

empy wrote:
i have a few comments -

first, thank you for not putting the Chrysler 300C on it


I was thinking about it. But it was more symbolic of a failed industry than an important car. On how Chrysler's only bright point in the past decade was based on secondhand Mercees engineering (except for the engines).

empy wrote:
second, the Veyron needs to be part of this list - besides its performance/technical credentials, it has simply been the "God" car for this generation (i'd drop the Zonda - more marginal player)


The Zonda simply because it brought sex back to the exotic biz. And it showed that a private start-up could make it in the big leagues... if you make over half-a-million in profit per car, that is... Belat belat ...it's representative of a trend that saw Wiessman start-up, Morgan reinvigorated and Spyker hit the scene.

The Veyron... again, only one turbo-brick had space on the list... and the GT-R has raised many more eyebrows than the Veyron.

empy wrote:
third, i've seen the Ford Focus on a "10 Worst Cars of the Decade" list Rolling on the floor laughing go figure. i forgot the reviewer, i'll try to google it


Must be American. Still smarting over the fact that it's been nearly ten years since the Focus Mark II came out and they still don't get it in the US.

empy wrote:
fourth, i have no issue with Prius on the list because it made eco-awareness cool. but any average owner would have a lower cost of ownership with a Honda Fit


Yup.

empy wrote:
fifth, i wish there was room for the Hyundai Sta Fe on the list. speaking for myself, it was the car that finally made me take the Korean automaking industry seriously.



I had to pick one car. In the Philippines, it was the Santa Fe, in the US, it was the Sonata. But these were evolutions... perfections of platforms started under Mitsubishi's tutelage. The Genesis Coupe and Sedan are completely grounds-up designs, from the chassis to the engine to the suspension. Plus, they're sexier. Boing



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foifoi wrote:
i cant think of top tens, because its pretty much apples to oranges, and ideas keeps on popping in my mind.

so far i think this car started the "fat" car revolution, at least here in our country (and on a commoners pov)




around 2001 i think.


yup, my bad. although the Altis is a good car and im getting that "fat" carthingy you're saying. I dont think it is any better, engineering and performance wise, as the FoMoCo twins. Smile



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Posted: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:36:50 AM


Rank: Formula 3 racer

Joined: 11/10/2006
Posts: 5,073
Location: Manila, Philippines
basti08 wrote:
foifoi wrote:
i cant think of top tens, because its pretty much apples to oranges, and ideas keeps on popping in my mind.

so far i think this car started the "fat" car revolution, at least here in our country (and on a commoners pov)




around 2001 i think.


yup, my bad. although the Altis is a good car and im getting that "fat" carthingy you're saying. I dont think it is any better, engineering and performance wise, as the FoMoCo twins. Smile


The only thing it really did good was get decent economy because of the light body and small engine. The steering sucked, the automatic doubly sucked, and the springs were too stiff (while the shocks were not). It's surprising how well it handles, despite the suspension and steering issues... it's stable... but that's simply because of the strong bodyshell.


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renzo_d10
Posted: Monday, February 15, 2010 5:31:58 PM


Rank: Golf cart

Joined: 8/1/2009
Posts: 84
Location: QC
For vehicles that was released locally i`d pick the following. Not in order.

1. Honda Civic ES
2. Honda Jazz GE
3. Honda Civic FD
4. Toyota Corolla Altis ZZ
5. Ford Focus 2.0 TDCi
6. 2007 Ford Ranger
7. Mitsubishi Strada/Triton
8. Nissan Navara
9. Hyundai Santa Fe
10. BMW 3-series


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